Comments on: Christian Music Revival – with Paulo Olivier http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/ Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:52:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Larry http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-11800 Larry Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:56:03 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-11800 I have to agree somewhat with you. However, one has to look at the application of the music - the lay of the land. Even our military uses different weapons and even camouflage for different terrain. In worship music, it has to be easy enough to sing so the average person can sing along. If it's too complicated and filled with weird intervals vocally, the congregation will just stop singing and the service turns into a concert. You also have to take into account that most worship leaders and band members are volunteer and intermediate musicians at best. Writing songs that are too complicated will cause them to either not use the song - or play jut the major chord when maybe a maj7 was what was supposed to be played. I remember the the early days of when Vineyard Music really took off. Why? Because the average hack (like me at the time) could actually play and sing the songs. The Hosanna Integrity stuff was piano driven and had more chords that a music theory II class. Guess which songs I played? Guess who began losing market share in worship? Guess who decided Vineyard may be onto something and found artists like Darrell Evans? I have to agree somewhat with you. However, one has to look at the application of the music – the lay of the land. Even our military uses different weapons and even camouflage for different terrain. In worship music, it has to be easy enough to sing so the average person can sing along. If it's too complicated and filled with weird intervals vocally, the congregation will just stop singing and the service turns into a concert. You also have to take into account that most worship leaders and band members are volunteer and intermediate musicians at best. Writing songs that are too complicated will cause them to either not use the song – or play jut the major chord when maybe a maj7 was what was supposed to be played. I remember the the early days of when Vineyard Music really took off. Why? Because the average hack (like me at the time) could actually play and sing the songs. The Hosanna Integrity stuff was piano driven and had more chords that a music theory II class. Guess which songs I played? Guess who began losing market share in worship? Guess who decided Vineyard may be onto something and found artists like Darrell Evans?

]]> By: Larry http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-11798 Larry Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:39:56 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-11798 I have to agree somewhat with you. However, one has to look at the application of the music - the lay of the land. Even our military uses different weapons and even camouflage for different terrain. In worship music, it has to be easy enough to sing so the average person can sing along. If it's too complicated and filled with weird intervals vocally, the congregation will just stop singing and the service turns into a concert. You also have to take into account that most worship leaders and band members are volunteer and intermediate musicians at best. Writing songs that are too complicated will cause them to either not use the song - or play jut the major chord when maybe a maj7 was what was supposed to be played. I remember the the early days of when Vineyard Music really took off. Why? Because the average hack (like me at the time) could actually play and sing the songs. The Hosanna Integrity stuff was piano driven and had more chords that a music theory II class. Guess which songs I played? Guess who began losing market share in worship? Guess who decided Vineyard may be onto something and found artists like Darrell Evans? With all that being said, I am a HUGE Prog-Rock fan. LOVE bands like Dream Theater, musicians like Randy Rhoads. I do wish there were more bands like that in the Christian market. But if it's not marketable = (no one will buy it) then who is going to foot the bill for that band? Who's going to pay their rent, car payments, feed their family? The label? Not very likely. Music unfortunately is survival of the fittest. Whoever can pay the bills will get the business. Trans Siberian Orchestra has seemed to be able to get the job done, but they aren't exactly a "Christian" band. By the way - why do we make such a big distinction between "Christian" and "Secular" bands anyways? :::Raises Hand::: Because by making a clear distinction, you can carve out a market share that is guaranteed to buy the crap you put out because it says "Jesus" a bunch of times in the songs. I have to agree somewhat with you. However, one has to look at the application of the music – the lay of the land. Even our military uses different weapons and even camouflage for different terrain. In worship music, it has to be easy enough to sing so the average person can sing along. If it's too complicated and filled with weird intervals vocally, the congregation will just stop singing and the service turns into a concert. You also have to take into account that most worship leaders and band members are volunteer and intermediate musicians at best. Writing songs that are too complicated will cause them to either not use the song – or play jut the major chord when maybe a maj7 was what was supposed to be played. I remember the the early days of when Vineyard Music really took off. Why? Because the average hack (like me at the time) could actually play and sing the songs. The Hosanna Integrity stuff was piano driven and had more chords that a music theory II class. Guess which songs I played? Guess who began losing market share in worship? Guess who decided Vineyard may be onto something and found artists like Darrell Evans?

With all that being said, I am a HUGE Prog-Rock fan. LOVE bands like Dream Theater, musicians like Randy Rhoads. I do wish there were more bands like that in the Christian market. But if it's not marketable = (no one will buy it) then who is going to foot the bill for that band? Who's going to pay their rent, car payments, feed their family? The label? Not very likely. Music unfortunately is survival of the fittest. Whoever can pay the bills will get the business. Trans Siberian Orchestra has seemed to be able to get the job done, but they aren't exactly a "Christian" band.

By the way – why do we make such a big distinction between "Christian" and "Secular" bands anyways? :::Raises Hand::: Because by making a clear distinction, you can carve out a market share that is guaranteed to buy the crap you put out because it says "Jesus" a bunch of times in the songs.

]]> By: John http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-4955 John Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:37:37 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-4955 This same issue exists in the secular market as well. I think it's endemic of the entire bankrupt Western culture that is seeking only riches and fame. Musicians are not allowed to be creative anymore and labels don't nurture and help a band mature. They squeeze hard for the quick gains and then the bands are dried up and left to die - usually after the first album. I grew up in the 70's and 80's when there was a huge diversity in music. In the 70's virtually no two bands sounded the same. But that has all changed. Strangely enough there was better Christian music back in those days when rock music and Christianity were at odds with one another. Today it is an accepted musical form and yet it all sounds so tired, uninspired, dull, and dare I say, even compromised with the world. The musical ministry I'm in is one where we play popular worship songs for the saved and popular secular CLASSIC rock songs with the words altered for the unbelievers. And guess what - the kids love it!!! They prefer the classic rock to anything modern. Forget almost anything after 1990 (with a few notable exceptions such as Petra). The best rock music both Christian and secular was in the 70's and 80's. And that's a fact. This same issue exists in the secular market as well. I think it's endemic of the entire bankrupt Western culture that is seeking only riches and fame. Musicians are not allowed to be creative anymore and labels don't nurture and help a band mature. They squeeze hard for the quick gains and then the bands are dried up and left to die – usually after the first album. I grew up in the 70's and 80's when there was a huge diversity in music. In the 70's virtually no two bands sounded the same. But that has all changed. Strangely enough there was better Christian music back in those days when rock music and Christianity were at odds with one another. Today it is an accepted musical form and yet it all sounds so tired, uninspired, dull, and dare I say, even compromised with the world. The musical ministry I'm in is one where we play popular worship songs for the saved and popular secular CLASSIC rock songs with the words altered for the unbelievers. And guess what – the kids love it!!! They prefer the classic rock to anything modern. Forget almost anything after 1990 (with a few notable exceptions such as Petra). The best rock music both Christian and secular was in the 70's and 80's. And that's a fact.

]]> By: Ashley http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-4380 Ashley Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:46:38 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-4380 Hey Buddie where did you find this band? it is totally original and so creative!!! Why bands like this don`t have space in the market? this is a great song man I really love that... Hey Buddie where did you find this band? it is totally original and so creative!!! Why bands like this don`t have space in the market? this is a great song man I really love that…

]]> By: Stephen http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-3919 Stephen Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:21:25 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-3919 Listen to this... [youtube VStUk_4BBLY <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStUk_4BBLY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStUk_4BBLY</a> youtube] Listen to this…
[youtube VStUk_4BBLY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStUk_4BBLY youtube]

]]> By: MC http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-3323 MC Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:59:09 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-3323 Hey this is too true! It seems like even a few years ago Christian bands were much popular. I have found that my friends seldom listen to it because very few new artist have come out. Few of the big bands have come out with new albums. And this causes fans to look to other alternatives for new music. Hey this is too true! It seems like even a few years ago Christian bands were much popular. I have found that my friends seldom listen to it because very few new artist have come out. Few of the big bands have come out with new albums. And this causes fans to look to other alternatives for new music.

]]> By: Anna Handasyde http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-3267 Anna Handasyde Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:28:41 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-3267 Hey, I just want to disagree with basically all that you said about Christian artists today. There are so much groups who write really great music (not just basic chords) with great messages, and who stick to their faith. They also tour with other non-christian Bands getting their message out there to the masses. Take Relient K for example, they have toured with Simple Plan and Good Charlotte as their openning act. That's spreading the message in two ways, through their music and through example. What about Switchfoot, TobyMac, Brian Litterell, Mandisa, Stellar Kart and so many others who have and are making tracks into main stream music today. Yes, you were right in saying that christian artists need to get more creative, new and exciting and bring their music out there to others, in singing praise to God. But I just wanted to let people know that there are some christian artists already leading the way. Personally I give their music out to my non-christian friends all the time. They love listening to it. Good music with Good morals. You can't ask for more then that. Hey,

I just want to disagree with basically all that you said about Christian artists today. There are so much groups who write really great music (not just basic chords) with great messages, and who stick to their faith. They also tour with other non-christian Bands getting their message out there to the masses. Take Relient K for example, they have toured with Simple Plan and Good Charlotte as their openning act. That’s spreading the message in two ways, through their music and through example. What about Switchfoot, TobyMac, Brian Litterell, Mandisa, Stellar Kart and so many others who have and are making tracks into main stream music today. Yes, you were right in saying that christian artists need to get more creative, new and exciting and bring their music out there to others, in singing praise to God. But I just wanted to let people know that there are some christian artists already leading the way. Personally I give their music out to my non-christian friends all the time. They love listening to it. Good music with Good morals. You can’t ask for more then that.

]]> By: Joyce Nunes http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/christian-music-revival-with-paulo-olivier/comment-page-1/#comment-3206 Joyce Nunes Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:31:10 +0000 http://www.sloppynoodle.com/wp/?p=14392#comment-3206 Awesome article! This is so true nowadays, well done for posting it. We, as Christians, are here to make a difference with our talents, giving our best to glorify His name! Awesome article! This is so true nowadays, well done for posting it. We, as Christians, are here to make a difference with our talents, giving our best to glorify His name!

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